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Monday August 31, 2015

Quebec's Outrageous Demands

Over the years, Quebec has been Canada's most difficult problem. Their demands for "distinct society" status based on nothing other than a dying language & culture have been heard for decades and their blackmail threats of separation have squeezed from the MoC (Most of Canada) far more concessions than they deserve. Many Canadians have said, "Let them go" and those cries have risen to a crescendo that have risen ever higher as every Federal government has tried to appease them. The latest demands by the PQ and its new leader, described by the National Post as "the eccentric media mogul" must be the most outrageous demands to date. I would like to use more descriptive words to describe this man but polite society would not accept them so I'll leave you to come up with your own adjectives.

I would like to say that Karl Peladeau's shrill screeches are beginning to sound a bit desperate. He must know that Quebec is a lost cause and even Quebecers know that they have become too dependent on the MoC to be able to stand on their own. Only the most uninformed Quebecer would still think that Quebec under the BQ has a future. Do they think that Mulcair & the NDP will offer them a better future? Why would the NDP be the most popular party in Quebec?

Below the two articles, I have attached some comments from Westerners who are justifiably outraged with the demands of the separatists.

President (CLF)

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PQ leader revives debate over how much of Canadas assets - and debt - belong to Quebec

Pierre Karl Peladeau has bought in to the separatist dream of looting Canada

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Surely Peladeau doesnt think he has come up with a new idea. Looting Canada is a time-honored tradition in Quebec. They are well practiced at it as they have been doing it for decades. Just ask us Albertans; we are very familiar with Quebecs expertise in this area.

Sharon Maclise

Edmonton

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Vae Victis! What does Canada owe Quebec? Why should Canada even negotiate? More likely Quebec should be repaying Canada for the billions of dollars pumped into it by the Canadian taxpayer. The Quebec that we have today is also not the original Quebec of the conquest of 1763, but is now a much larger area thanks to grants of territory by Canada. It must be for Canada to decide what Quebec gets, if anything. There will also be the Aboriginal peoples of northern Quebec to consider since they will likely not want to be part of a nation of Quebec. Perhaps even Montreal would opt out.

Evolution of the Territory of Quebec: 1763-1927

If Canada goes by what Quebec considers theirs, they could be claiming half of Ontario, Newfoundland and parts of the U.S. The fact is Quebec was ceded to Britain by France in 1763, who in turn transferred sovereignty of its North American territories (except Newfoundland) including Quebec to the new nation of Canada in 1867. Quebec was not then and is not now a sovereign state and has no authority to negotiate anything, although successive Canadian governments have been trying to bestow some kind of nationhood on it and have gotten themselves into a mess.

It is doubtful if Quebec will ever go anywhere, and would the Americans permit it? I am sure they dont want a half baked country on their northern border.

Orlin

Winnipeg

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There were some very good points made by the commentators following Tristin Hopper's article. I actually took the time to read all of them and was very impressed by "Big Benoit".

The only thing that is inevitable, is that Quebec will go bankrupt financially and culturally (having made so much progress already in this regard in the past 40 years) if a large portion of its population continues to obsess about preserving its 'French-ness' and battling for 'sovereignty' above all else...the Quebecois 'nationalists' have done nothing but establish Quebec as a 'French reserve' in Canada - the furthest thing from 'independent' from Canada. The notion of 'preserving a culture/language' is a huge joke in the 21st century to anyone who is paying attention to the rate of change and economic/cultural integration around the world. There are more people learning English in Asia than there are native English-speaking people in the world. There are currently more people speaking languages that didn't exist 20 years ago (computer programming languages) than there have ever been French-speaking people in the history of the world. Language no longer defines culture other than as a tool for politicians seeking to foster resentment and division...open your eyes.

The idea that Quebec could take its share of the Federal debt upon separation and un-plug the federal transfer payments and do anything but implode economically is a farce. Montreal, Quebec's most economically dynamic metropolitan city, is ranked 22nd out of 22 cities in North America with a population over 2 million as it relates to the rate of entrepreneurship...the risk-taking creative force in the Quebec economy is anemic at best - arguably on its deathbed and certainly not getting any stronger. Having lived in Quebec for over half of my 44 years, I can tell you unequivocally that the only way for Quebec to survive and prosper is to give up this ridiculous obsession and begin to engage the Rest of Canada and the Rest of the World in any language as dynamically and competitively as it can right away....start focusing those great Quebecois passions on innovation and productivity rather than scorned pride. Legal frameworks limiting access to English education and English in the workplace is economic suicide. Period.

I would suggest that Quebec has become a laughing stock of North America for its small-minded obsession, but from where I sit now (in the city ranked #1 for rate of entrepreneurship) it is clear that Quebec's demise is not even a footnote in the current North American narrative. Nobody West of Ottawa or South of Burlington notices or cares. It is time for Quebec to move on and change the topic of conversation to one of engagement with the world in whatever language and manner will make Quebec a vital, innovative, creative force in the world.

Get over it...move on.

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Louis Big Benoit 5 days ago

thanks for your concern, but we'll be quite fine. vive le Qubec libre ^_^

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Actually Louis...Quebec is not fine. Perhaps you don't live in Montreal and missed the fact that students were rioting in the streets on and off (mostly on) for a couple of years protesting the fact that even a wildly subsidized university education doesn't align economically with the total lack of employment for young people when they emerge from university. Quebec's employment is a mess. It's fiscal state is a mess. It's economy is a mess. And - refer to my note above - it's private sector business creation is a mess. Quebec has annihilated it's economic base to try to make peace with a community of people within Quebec that have chosen to accept a 'victim' narrative (i.e. requiring institutional protections) of French Quebecois rather than a narrative of strength and competitiveness. Yes - to be competitive in the 21st century, most Quebecois will need to become quite fluent in English...and luckily have the means to do so. When I went to university briefly in Northern China in the 90's, Chinese students lined up around the block for hours for an opportunity to practice their halting and broken English with the Canadian students that were living in their city...they recognized that English has become the global language of business and technology and they don't take this 'personally' (or 'culturally') but rather have the confidence to accept that this is reality. Perhaps the 'nationalists' in Quebec should take pause and reflect on their strategy for preserving Quebec's unique and interesting culture...and I suspect that a sober reflection will lead to a realization that the best way to preserve Quebec culture and language is to enable Quebec to be as economically productive and competitive as possible...and accept that Quebec culture will adapt and evolve along this path. Time for some sober reflection...

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Louis is a defender of the separatists and his views are available online for anyone who wants to read them. He is not a stupid man so don't dismiss him as such - he is just a firm believer that Quebec's failure is because it is part of the Canadian confederation and is adamant that, once on its own, will do very well. He is a denier of the facts in Quebec - aggravating but interesting if you want to know the other side of the story.

However, if your blood pressure is already high - don't read him!!!

Kim McConnell



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